there's no question that that would increase -- >> in all fairness that was the initial ryan plan and has been revised since. i want to ask you about simpson-bowles, speaking of things too late, the president suggested one of the big differences between him and mitt romney was simpson-bowles, yet if you talk to any of the principles involved they were extremely disappointed as are many of your colleagues on wall street and big business that the president did not affirmatively embrace the outlines of simps simpson-bowles strojly. let them leave that rose garden with a pat on the back and did not fully endorse it and stopped it cold on the hill. >> andrea, you know, i have great admiration for alan simpson and ear skin bowles, they've done fantastic work for this country on this issue in raising public consciousness about it, but i know there's a great affection in many parts of the country like the business community for simpson-bowles but if you study simpson-bowles, it requires quite sweeping tax reform in the area of deductions, for example, in order to achieve its own decreases in